Hearing this,Sun Chuan was deeply moved.He sighed,"What Chang Chao and the others have said makes me feel hopeless and disappointed.What you have said to me is exactly what is in my heart.But I am afraid that we can not defeat Ts'ao Ts'ao."Lu Su then advised Sun Chuan to meet with Chu-ke Liang from Shu Kingdom and ask for his assessment of the actual strength of Ts'ao Ts'ao's troops.
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